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Comments (32)

Timothy J. Curran said

at 6:26 pm on Aug 17, 2009

I applaud and appreciate CCSF's new policy on smoking. Smoking is not a crime, and smnokers are not evil, but I appreciate the effort to protect people from the ill health effects of second-hand smoke.I am a non-smoker, but I developed adult onset asthma ten years ago. Of course, I drive a car and I contribute to air pollution, so perhaps that makes me a hypocrite! There should be a place for smokers to enjoy their smoking while not subjecting others to air pollution.We need to demonstate mutual respect for smokers and non-smokers alike.

Victoria Lucas said

at 7:34 pm on Aug 17, 2009

I suppose next we'll have a separate campus for fat people. After all, we know how dangerous it is to be overweight or obese. By allowing the students of CCSF to be exposed to fat people, the administration is not protecting our health, and our right to a fat-free campus.
I have been a non-smoker for over a year now after smoking for 10 years. Wake up people, you will not get cancer from being exposed to second-hand smoke OUTDOORS. If I were you, I'd worry about the pollution created by all the cars you drive. That's it! CCSF should be a car free campus!

Basil L. said

at 1:00 am on Aug 18, 2009

Rather than telling the smokers that they can only smoke in little places a, b, c, etc., tell the smokers that they CAN'T smoker in much-larger places w, x, y, z, etc. Toughen the enforcement of the 20-foot rule, and on people who litter their cigarette butts (better yet, littering in general). Leave enough gaps in the huge swaths of non-smoking areas, or provisions in the rule, to allow smokers simply passing through to do so. Walking past a smoker, smokers walking by, and being anywhere other than downwind and within six feet or so isn't harmful.

A lot could be done to make the campus pleasant for nonsmokers short of corralling us into a little handful of places.

ednorrell@... said

at 9:54 am on Aug 18, 2009

As a smoker I am used to being socially exiled, so i don't mind having to walk to designated out of the way areas to have a smoke while at school. I just have one question, has anyone even bothered to consider the time factor it takes to walk from one class, to the smoking area, have a smoke, then head to your next class? I'm pretty sure its more than 10 minutes... which if I am correct is the grace period allowed to get around between classes. And Woe to the smokers taking classes at night... classes are 2-3 hours long, with one 10 minute break, forget smoking, you barely have time to go to the restroom and get a drink.

fattmogel said

at 1:32 pm on Aug 18, 2009

Does this only apply to the main campus? If so, it just seems kind of symbolic, which is fine, but I agree it should be more about smoke-free zones than designated smoking areas. 90% of the time people are smoking while walking from A to B, so maybe there should be smoking paths. It's kind of silly, like at marine world, the smoking areas are 15 feet away from the kiddie rides. Will we be punishing smokers who don't have class near a smoking area as well as non-smokers who have a class right next to one?

Clarence T. said

at 2:40 pm on Aug 18, 2009

I love the idea of a smoke-free campus. In fact, I believe it is even better if smoking is banned on school ground altogether. But I doubt that will ever happen. I just hope that the new policy will be enforced; otherwise, it is just meaningless words when people smoke like usual and no action is taken to ensure everyone adhere to the new rule.

joel3 said

at 5:08 pm on Aug 18, 2009

Do you drive to school? Then you contribute far more to air pollution than a smoker. We smoke the required 30 feet from entrances. All ACTUAL DATA (not sensational media stories, or laymen opinions) on secondhand smoke show that in an outdoor space like the CCSF campus there are virtually NO actual ill health effects. Perhaps you don't care for the smell, but YOU LIVE IN A LARGE METROPOLITAN CITY. Unpleasant odors are part of life. I agree heartily with fattmoqel.

Seperate but equal is not equal. This is a moral issue masquerading as a health issue. There are many behaviors that I find personally reprehensible, but it is not my right to dictate YOUR morality. If you don't like smoking DON"T SMOKE. Period.

mr? said

at 8:44 pm on Aug 18, 2009

i think this is so dumb u r in the open not harmfull i mean if it was a big deal then they should do the same city wide but is it no its not looking at the map its b.s i will have to walk across campus just to smoke one ciggarette i think they should keep it the same but put more ash trays and keep it to do not smoke 20 feet in front of doors and drive ways its is pure stupidity i will be walking around campus letting ppl sign a petition getting the ppl who want to be free to smoke every were they want to to speak out get there side of there story if u dnt like to smoke the dnt do it stop being such a little baby go cry somewere else i agree wit joel3 and the rest of yealls this has got to stop

Leslie said

at 10:53 am on Aug 19, 2009

I applaud these efforts whole-heartedly. I have a comment about the proposed smoking areas. As far as the area behind the Library is concerned, if people are referring to the stone ledge where people now sit and smoke, it is NOT 20 feet from the entrance. I do not believe this should be a smoking area because it is not complying with the law.

Patricia Arack said

at 12:42 am on Aug 24, 2009

Smokers should not walk and smoke. For serious asthmatics, which many students from Bayview Hunters Point are, inhaling the smoke of a passerby can cause an attack. Smoking areas should not be anywhere near main pathways to buildings and classes. I question the Batmale plaza location, since that is a major pathway to the building. Also, the 20-foot no smoking zone from building doorways needs to be enforced. The landing on 2nd floor entrance to ARTS is a terrible place to walk for a serious asthmatic. Many students wouldn't complain because it isn't "cool" but I know these areas cause distress to people with asthma. And walking while smoking along with all the other students and faculty getting to class should defintely be against the rules.

Adam Markosian said

at 12:05 pm on Aug 28, 2009

For those who think the effects of second hand smoke outdoors is not an issue, this study suggests otherwise:


It is not a sensational media story, or laymen opinion, but rather a study done by researchers at Stanford University.

Laura M said

at 2:57 pm on Aug 31, 2009

Adam Markosian said.."this is...a study done by researchers at Stanford University" then links to a news article written by a reporter.

You may want to compare the article's definition of fine particle pollution with that from the EPA:

You might want to go to the May 2007 issue of the Journal of the Air and Waste Management Association (JAWMA) in which the actual study is published.

Laura M said

at 2:59 pm on Aug 31, 2009

David Mooney said

at 11:09 pm on Sep 1, 2009

Sept. 1st 2009...
No enforcement, I counted several students(?) walking around smoking...
No signage, no ashtrays in the designated areas, no follow through...

I'm a smoker and honestly am not thrilled about the idea of being corralled into smoking areas, but honestly cannot think of a rational argument against it. If you are going to do it, then do it right and get it over with. I really don't see a way of pleasing everyone so the best answer seems to be the one that causes the least discomfort for all, that's what a compromise is right? If there isn't compromise then the rule is going to come off as self righteous bullying (maybe a hyperbole but i can't think of something better at this time)For every person that says "you shouldn't let people smoke there that's my path to class" you will find someone to say "well, you can walk another path" and another to say "well, you can smoke somewhere else". Or the more callous responses I've seen that actually suggest smokers should alter their behavior simply because it is an annoyance to a non-smoker. I've ignored the health effects of second hand smoke in that remark because i want to focus on the paternalistic behavior modification suggested by comments like those.

"mr?" ..just..don't..please,

Laura M said

at 9:13 am on Nov 17, 2009

There is no enforcement because the proposed policy is not a college district policy. The true believers have a "cause" that makes them feel good, and are hoping that by declaring their policy they can make it be real. There actually is consideration going on about a district smoking policy. The meetings are open to all concerned. The following is from Sunny Clark, CCSF Heath Center Director:
Dear Colleagues,
We seek your advice, your input, and your activism in our effort to locate reasonable designated smoking areas that we can all live with.

The following dates, times, and rooms have been scheduled for your participation in the focus groups to come up with a solution.

Wednesday 11/18/09
9:00 - 10:00 am
SU 208

Friday 11/20/09
3:00 - 4:00 pm
ART 314

Monday 11/23/09
9:00 - 10:00 am
SU 208

Tuesday 11/24/09
12:00 - 1:00 pm
C 2233

Tuesday 12/01/09
3:00 - 4:00 pm
SU 208

Monday 12/07/09
2:00 - 3:00 pm
ART 314

Sunny Clark
Associate Dean & Clinic Director
City College of San Francisco
Student Health Services &
District Public Health
50 Phelan Ave. (HC100)
San Francisco, CA 94112
Phone: (415) 452-5384
Fax: (415) 239-3193

joel3 said

at 3:50 pm on Jan 28, 2010

In addition to my previous comment saying that this is a moral issue disguised as a health issue (which it is clearly NOT) I would also like to say that it is an effort by city college to LOOK like they are doing something positive (which they are, in fact, not) to distract from the very serious budget/class cuts etc. Presumably, money is to be spent implementing and enforcing this enfringment on student rights. Perhaps that money would be better spent where it is needed, on our EDUCATIONS.

Patricia Arack said

at 9:34 pm on Oct 23, 2011

Oct 23, 2011
I would prefer a smoke-free campus, but I think that is not an option, unfortunately. It is a serious health issue, smoking and second hand smoke. It should not be allowed on campus. My comments on the DSAs: #2 location is not clear. Is that along the ADA walkway, or on the street? It should be on the street.
Also, the DSA near Batmale is too close to Batmale. Smoking on the outside terraces is way too close to the building, and smoke will go into classrooms. Eliminate that DSA next to Batmale. (#4). Smokers instead can go over to the Visual Arts smoking area #3. Its not that far.

Melinda said

at 1:51 pm on Oct 26, 2011

Natasha said

at 1:59 pm on Oct 26, 2011

I think all the proposed smoke areas would work except for #9 & #2. These are along frequently used walkways, so second hand smoke would be an issue. Area #9, in particular, would not be an acceptable smoking area. Most people enter the campus from Phelan & Ocean, so this is basically at the entrance to the campus.

Cynthia said

at 2:20 pm on Oct 26, 2011

It is great to have these specified areas. Is it possible to improve the Multi-purpose Building entrance (next to book store annex)? The areas in front of the MUB door have a ground covering of cigarette butts...thousands.

Rhea said

at 2:31 pm on Oct 26, 2011

I do not agree with a Ban on Smoking on Campus. The buildings are already cleared up to a good amount of feet near doorways of posted Non-Smoking designated areas. I do smoke but I am in constant fear of being around anyone else when I am smoking. I have researched tons of documents on second hand smoke and it has been concluded that there are virtually no health defects related to second hand smoke as a healthy adult. Children and infants, especially fetuses, are incredibly susceptible to second hand or first hand (in womb) smoking. People just do not like it and do not like the way it smells, plus see the effects it has on the smoker themselves and relate that to their own health. In turn, I feel that if you are a smoker, and you realize these things, then you should already be smoking away from others, and in places where there is a lot of air current or space. I think the area between the Science building and Cloud Hall should be designated for smoking, which I'm not sure if I saw on the map. Any place that is large, open, and has circulating air flow should be fine for smoking. And yes, putting ashtrays would help from littering. There are NO ashtrays from what I've seen. You could have an ashtray/trash can combo near all these smoking areas, and wouldn't have to spend too much money. Maybe the art department could prepare some for extra credit? ;) and yes, if you are going to complain about smoking, then you need to stop driving your car right now, unless it is a hybrid or natural gas system, because those effects are definitely doing more than smelling bad or killing people choosing to smoke in the 1st place. And while we're at it, lets never sell any junk food and never write in colored paper or let people wear what they want either, because you know.. people just can't seem to tolerate each other and their lifestyle preferences that don't really have anything to do with another person hardly at all.

nminapar@... said

at 3:49 pm on Oct 26, 2011

Cat Grace said

at 4:17 pm on Oct 26, 2011

When I come to the campus in the morning, from the moment I arrive, I am inundated by smokers, including those who I am walking behind, breathing in their toxic fumes every time they exhale. When I go to the library, many smokers are standing well within the 20-feet limit, and the smoke travels into the common area inside the library. By the time I get into the library, I feel like I have been smoking from the moment I arrive to campus to the moment I am "safely" inside the building. I contracted asthma from second-hand smoke, and have had several trips to the emergency room when I get an asthma attack. If smokers do not think about second-hand smoke, they should. I can't help but be resentful of all the smokers on campus contributing to the ill health of others. When I leave the fitness center, I am also inundated with second-hand smoke, and I feel like I don't have the right to my health. Thank you for this forum. I intend to get involved in making this a smoke-free campus.

haparici@... said

at 5:24 pm on Oct 26, 2011

Since winter is just around the corner, should the designated smoking areas have protection against the elements?

Vivien said

at 10:19 am on Oct 27, 2011

Someone (philip?) made a brief survey on Bay Area CCs smoking policy and I note that smoking areas were mainly confined to designated parking lots. Why can't CCSF do the same? Was there a campus wide vote on making CCSF a smoke free campus? If there are more non smokers and people who want a smoke free campus, then that should be the policy.
If smoking needs to be accommodated for now ( I don't know why?) then here's my 2 cents:
Smoking areas need to be enclosed and away from travel pathways. I have had to run ahead of a smoker in order not to inhale his second hand smoke. Smokers don't follow the 20 ft rule and I see cigarette butts littered right outside buildings. Smoking enclosures can be a converted cargo container/ or glass enclosures similar to bus stops (but enclosed). Yes it will costs money but the smokers can pay for it...
Where should these be placed? As far away as possible from buildings and travel pathways.
Smokers should not be in the position to dictate where they can smoke at their convenience because the rest of us are being grossly affected by their needs.

Natasha said

at 1:27 pm on Oct 27, 2011

After reading the chancellor's messge I realize that there are two options - smoke free or designated smoking areas. I prefer smoke free, but would like to chime in on the designated smoking areas. I think it's important that smoking areas are not only 20+ feet from a building entrance, but also 20+ free from any part of a building so that smoking doesn't take place ouside a classroom or office window.
Cigarette and/or pot smoke drifts into my office window on a daily basis, as students smoke on the benches outside.

t.a.c. said

at 2:47 pm on Oct 27, 2011

I am concerned about DSA #7 as it appears to be right next to the big ventilation ducts to the Rosenberg Building. I hope this comment will serve as a NO vote to having this be one of the DSA's. Thank you for this consideration.

irazumova said

at 8:25 pm on Oct 28, 2011

I am opposed to any further restrictive measures to smoking on campus. 20 feet from the building is sufficient enough. One can smoke at UC Berkeley and Stanford campuses, for example. We are not living in Nazi Germany and can't prohibit smoking in an open air.

Jana Zanetto said

at 9:20 pm on Oct 28, 2011

I have bicycled to Ocean Campus for 25+ years but don't support a total ban on smoking. However, I have seasonal asthma and like Patricia Arack and Cat Grace, am particularly bothered by walking smokers. An equally big concern, but mentioned by only one or two previous commenters, is the issue of cigarette butts. They are not only unsightly (as an early email mentioned, just gaze at the ground outside of any of the entry doors of our lovely new MUB), but because they are toxic and nonbiodegradable. They remain in soil, sewers, beaches, and bodies of water for decades, and they eventually pollute our lakes and oceans, and of course, all the birds, fish, and mammals whose lives depend on those bodies of water--even humans. I would like to see the DSA's be located at 4,6, 8, & 9, in "backside" of buildings, one on each side of campus. Too many of the other areas, like between Arts and VArts or Arts and the Health Center, are too near lots of foot traffic, affecting too many passers-by. Receptacles for cigarette butt disposal must be provided in all of the DSAs finally designated.

Clearly, some smokers really need to smoke and some nonsmokers really need to not be around smoke, so finding a compromise that will be accepted by all will be a challenge. Rhea is being disingenuous to say "people just can't seem to tolerate each other and their lifestyle preferences that don't really have anything to do with another person hardly at all." Accepting or not accepting smoking on campus will obviously affect other people.I hope that if designated smoking areas remain on campus, we can find ways to reduce health effects on nonsmokers and eliminate the piles of cigarette butts that degrade our campus environment and aesthetics.

Jana Zanetto

monica c said

at 2:08 pm on Oct 31, 2011

There is zero effort to enforce state law (not campus policy but law) that forbids smoking within twenty feet of a door or window. So let us not pretend that there is. And yes it's true that the campus plantings are littered with used butts.

monica c said

at 3:39 pm on Oct 31, 2011

monica c said

at 3:40 pm on Oct 31, 2011

oh PLEASE, do not trot out comparisons with Nazi Germany, it's insulting and irrelevant as well.

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